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The Healthy Compulsive Project: Help for OCPD, Workaholics, Obsessives, & Type A PersonalityThe Healthy Compulsive Project: Help for OCPD, Workaholics, Obsessives, & Type A Personality
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Announcing the Healthy Compulsive Project Podcast

July 19, 2023 Posted by Gary Trosclair 8 Comments

Wait, The Healthy Compulsive? Isn’t that an oxymoron?

Not in my book. And I’ll tell you how I got there.

Five years ago I launched The Healthy Compulsive Project, starting with a blog, and later adding a book. Today I’m launching a podcast, an OCPD podcast, but for many more than just those with OCPD. You can tune in at:

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The goal of the Project has been to help people with obsessive, compulsive, perfectionistic, micro-managing and type A personalities live healthier and more fulfilling lives, lives that are better not despite their compulsive tendencies, but because of them.

The audience for the Project includes people with Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder—OCPD, and those who might just have a few of the personality traits and don’t meet the full criteria for the personality disorder. It’s not intended for people with OCD, Obsessive-compulsive disorder, which is a different condition, with different implications for treatment. I’ll explain the differences later.

The obsessive-compulsive personality type has much to offer. Harness the drive at the root of it and you’ve got direction, energy and purpose.

The word compulsive derives from the words compelled and driven. And that’s not always bad. Lots of good has come out of having an inner drive that’s hard to resist.

But I’m not Pollyannaish about this either. When hijacked by anxiety and insecurity, this energy can lead to a really lousy life: depression, rigidity, chronic irritability, work addiction, and paralyzing perfectionism. And it can destroy relationships.

Healthy and unhealthy compulsiveness are like water and ice. It’s the same material. But, one flows freely and the other’s frozen stiff. All the insistence and determination characteristic of compulsives can be used constructively or destructively.

To move toward the healthier end of the compulsive spectrum takes the willingness to face uncomfortable feelings and to forgo the security of overdoing everything with planning, control and perfectionism.

You may notice that I’m lopping together the terms compulsive, obsessive, perfectionistic and Type A. While there are differences between them, there is more overlap than distinction. In the great battle between specificity and efficiency, I’m going to side with efficiency on this one, referring to the lot of them as compulsives, rather than listing everyone that my comments might apply to each time.

I’ll explain the differences in future episodes, but for now I’ll say that a common denominator is that they all feel compelled to bring order to what they experience as chaos—for worse and better. And within the obsessive-compulsive personality there are four subtypes. I’ll also explain those later, but for now we can describe them briefly as leader, worker, server, and thinker.

Contents

  • The New OCPD Podcast
  • How Has it Come to This?
  • Lights on Moments
  • OCD and OCPD
  • The Jungian Perspective
  • The Healthy Compulsive Book
  • The Podcast

The New OCPD Podcast

Getting back to The Healthy Compulsive Project I began five years ago…Reactions to the book and the blog have been gratifying and encouraging. It seems that they’ve helped lots of folks look at their condition in a very different way, and to behave in ways that leave them less depressed. It’s also helped some of their loved ones feel less oppressed. Many people who’ve been diagnosed with obsessive-compulsive personality disorder have found hope in the perspective that I’ve outlined, helping them to shake the impression that having a personality disorder meant they were doomed to a lifetime of misery.

But a number of readers have suggested that, given how busy they are, and how much being efficient means to them, it would be easier if they could listen to the blog, rather than reading it. So, starting today, the Healthy Compulsive Project will also include a podcast. The content in the recorded podcast will be virtually the same as that in the written blog. This way you can listen to it while you drive to your job, walk your mongrel, cook your red beans and rice, and tackle other mindless projects so that you feel like you’re being more productive.

The blog has over 80 written entries at this point, with one or two new posts coming out each month. I’ll continue to post new, written blogs. The podcasts will include the recorded version of new blog posts, along with recordings of older blog posts.

Some episodes will be like an audio magazine—several articles addressing a central theme. Others will include only one blog article.

Upcoming themes in the podcast will include:

• Origins of the compulsive personality

• Psychotherapy treatment

• Work

• Relationships and Parenting

• Perfectionism and Control

• Shame and guilt

• Archetypes and Carl Jung

• Depression and Anxiety

• Mindfulness Meditation

One bummer about podcasts is that you can’t hyperlink. I like to hyperlink in the blog so that you know that I’m not just making this stuff up. Well, not all of it. Research on OCPD is still scant, but I do quote the studies we do have when they’re relevant. If you want to follow up on any research that I quote, you can find links to the studies in the blog.

Two final notes about tone and content in this podcast. Compulsives are a serious lot, and this is a serious subject. I will respect that. But compulsives are also too serious for their own good, and the path forward is being a little less tightly wound. (Or maybe even a lot less tightly wound.) So at times my tone will be lighter, more playful and even mischievous.  Making room for mirth is an intentional part of the Project.

Film and television reviews might seem frivolous as well when trying to escape the confines of a personality disorder.  But while information, logic and insight are powerful, they are not always powerful enough in themselves to change us. Characters such as Ove in A Man Called Ove (or Otto, in the more recent Tom Hanks version), Chidi in the television series The Good Place, and Mrs. Poulteny in The French Lieutenant’s Woman, can all repel or inspire us to make changes that reason and information cannot.

It doesn’t take an Einstein to know that doing the same thing the same way will lead to the same problem. Try different for a change.

How Has it Come to This?

So how did I get here? First of all, I have my own compulsive tendencies which you’ll hear about on occasion. Most days I don’t meet the full criteria for obsessive-compulsive personality disorder, but I do know all too well how the drive to perfect, plan, please and complete can get out of control.

Just as an example, as the outlines of this podcast began to take shape, excitement turned to despair as I realized that I wouldn’t be able to make it as elegant and as perfect as I wanted it to be. I almost backed out. My challenge will be not to make it perfect, but to welcome its imperfections—however imperfectly—while still producing something that makes sense and is helpful to you guys out there.

Back to how I got here….In my clinical practice I began noticing the obsessive-compulsive pattern in many of my patients, needing to get everything organized, completed, and perfected, and being driven miserable and driven away from other people because of it. Many of them were very successful in their outer lives, but failures in terms of creating a satisfying inner life. For some reason, even before I went public with The Healthy Compulsive Project, many of these people decided to work with me. Part of that probably has to do with having a practice in New York, which draws over-achievers like moths to the flame. But it also has to do with who I am.

I remember one woman who came for a consultation and told me, before I had said much, and without any hint of criticism, “You like to have your ducks in order.” For her that seemed to mean we were not a good fit, and she went on her way. But for others, my ducks-in-order personality seems to have made for a good fit, and I’ve gotten lots of experience with folks wound a little too tight.

Lights on Moments

I remember two particular moments when the lights went on and I first recognized patterns associated with the compulsive personality in action.

One was when a client was telling me about what someone had been doing wrong and how she set him straight—or rather tried to, unsuccessfully. What I noticed was that her original intention, doing things the right way for the benefit of everyone involved, had been completely lost in how she treated this man. The means to the end, adopting high standards, living by them, and getting others to live by them, had trumped the ends, which had originally been the well-being of everyone around her.

Another time when I noticed the obsessive-compulsive pattern was when a successful young entrepreneur’s compulsive energy for collecting and organizing got completely turned around, and was enlisted instead in dispersing and cleaning out. Systematized clutter was traded for systematized spaciousness.  It was less about the content or absence of all the stuff, and more about completing the process of bringing order to chaos—in both directions. For him, completeness was next to godliness, and incompleteness was next to chaos. At first his symptoms might have made you think that he had OCD—obsessive-compulsive disorder, rather than OCPD, obsessive-compulsive personality disorder. But when you looked at the whole picture, you noticed that these were not specific obsessions and compulsions that intruded on his way of life as OCD does. This was his way of life.

OCD and OCPD

Which brings me to OCD and OCPD. I also noticed that too many of my clients had been previously misdiagnosed with OCD, an anxiety disorder, when they actually had OCPD, a personality disorder. Don’t get me started. I’ll be explaining this later, but far too many people have been inaccurately diagnosed with OCD and unsuccessfully treated with the wrong techniques. While OCD is the household term, some statistics indicate that there as many as twice as many people out there that have OCPD, than with OCD. In any case, there are a lot them—more than any other personality disorder.

The Jungian Perspective

The other thing that’s led me to my perspective on the obsessive-compulsive personality is my training as a Jungian psychoanalyst. You’ll hear more about Jung in future episodes, but in brief, Carl Jung was a 20th century psychiatrist who chose to study not just where symptoms had come from, but where they were heading, and what they might say about what was missing in this person’s psychology. He asked not just “Why,” but “What for?”

So, for instance, if you’re obsessive and compulsive, it’s not necessarily because your mother dropped you on your head when you were a kid, told you to poop every day at 3:13 in the afternoon, or gave you way too many enemas. It could also be because there is something healthy inside of you that wants to produce, create and fix, but it’s been blocked from the gratification of achieving those goals.

It could also be that that energy to produce, create and fix has been hijacked to deal with how insecure the bump on your head, rigid toilet training, and enemas have left you feeling about yourself.  Actually, research has debunked the whole toilet-training-causes-obsessive-compulsive-thing that Freud was so fond of, but it makes for salacious copy. Over-controlling parenting can contribute to one becoming an unhealthy compulsive, but it’s only one of many possible factors.

In either case, Jung urged us to ask what wants to be lived but has been blocked. Again, not why, but what for.

Jung was the inspiration for the positive psychology movement, which focuses on what leads to mental wellness, not just mental illness. He also recognized early on the positive role that a spiritual perspective can have in promoting mental health.  You may notice my emphasis on that word can, since organized religion can also hijack spiritual energy and create the sort of guilt and shame that unhealthy obsessions and compulsions just love to feast on.

The Healthy Compulsive Book

The other part of the Healthy Compulsive Project is the book by the same name. Well, actually, it has a much longer name—The Healthy Compulsive, Healing Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder and Taking the Wheel of the Driven Personality, which I’m surprised has never won an award for the most elegant book title of its time. Anyway, the book offers a detailed outline of how to go about becoming a healthier compulsive. While no book can substitute for the specific help that mental health professionals offer, it does offer a more in-depth and systematic program than this blog and podcast can describe.

The Podcast

For those of you who have subscribed to the blog, it’s great to have you here. If you’d like to start receiving email notifications for the podcast as well, go to The Healthy Compulsive Podcast at

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and fill in the subscription form. Some of the podcast episodes will include previous blogs, some will be new.

So the Healthy Compulsive Project moves forward, with hope to make ourselves and the world just a little better. Enjoy the drive.

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  • Libby
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    July 19, 2023 at 7:05 PM

    I am so excited about this! Your book was life-changing for me and I am excited about the new podcast resource.

    • Gary Trosclair
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      July 20, 2023 at 9:32 AM

      I’m very happy to hear that. Thanks for telling me.

  • Casey
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    July 19, 2023 at 10:48 PM

    Congratulations on the podcast! I am looking forward to revisiting the old blogs as well as hearing new ones via the podcast. I have found your blogs (and book) very insightful and interesting and they have helped me to acknowledge and better understand my OCPD thought patterns and behaviours.
    Keep up the good work!

    • Gary Trosclair
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      July 20, 2023 at 9:32 AM

      That’s great to hear. Thanks for letting me know.

  • Jp
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    July 20, 2023 at 5:56 AM

    A great read, per usual. Do you have an RSS url for the podcast? I use an app not mentioned.

    • Gary Trosclair
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      July 20, 2023 at 9:31 AM

      Thanks. I think this is what you are looking for…https://feeds.transistor.fm/the-healthy-compulsive-project

      If not, let me know.

      Which app do you usually use?

      • Laura
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        July 23, 2023 at 4:14 PM

        Thank you for your efforts. I am trying so hard to figure out what to change in myself.

  • Liz Kessell
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    August 5, 2024 at 3:45 PM

    Nothing works with a person that is 10 out of 10 OCPD AND an alcoholic. My life with this person has been hell.

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