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being so good

What Are You Trying to Prove by Being So Good?

October 30, 2021 Posted by Gary Trosclair 9 Comments

Now that Santa Clause has come and gone, year-end reviews are done, and the in-laws have left, nobody’s going to be scrutinizing you for a while, so you can settle back and chill out for a while.

Do whatever you want to.

What’s that? You’re still thinking about what the best thing to do is? Even though no-one is watching?

Something told me that you wouldn’t be tripping old ladies as they cross the street, stealing Kit-Kats from kids, or viciously trolling someone because of their deplorable tastes in evening wear. In fact, I figured you’d be thinking about what the next good thing is–be it moral or high achieving.

People with obsessive-compulsive personality tendencies and Type-A personality are driven to be “good” in some professional, personal, or moral way. They feel a constant pressure to do good things and do them perfectly.

But trying so hard to be good isn’t always so good, and can even backfire. To sort this out, let’s explore three primary motivations.

Contents

  • 1. Social and Virtue Signaling
  • 2. No Signaling
  • 3. Self Signaling
  • Batman’s Eternal Guilt Complex
  • Ned Tries to Prove Himself By Being Outstandingly Good
    • Overly-Supportive Parents
    • Original Sin
  • Natural and Unnatural Self-Improvement
  • Proving Yourself to Be Good Is Human…To a Point
  • A More Judicious Approach to Proving Yourself

1. Social and Virtue Signaling

Some of our good behavior is designed to send social signals.

Social signaling theory posits that our evolution has led us to obey social customs to show others that we are good, cooperative citizens, so that we don’t get thrown out into the savannah on our own to deal with lions, snakes and packs of snarling hyenas.

Some would argue that people with O-C tendencies actually need to learn how to send appropriate social signals. The way they signal sometimes send the wrong signal.

Compulsives, in my observation, work hard to earn respect, in fact more than they do to earn love. It’s their own particular brand of social signaling. This causes problems in relationships because it leads to priorities that don’t make sense to other people.

Virtue signaling, a specific type of social signaling, is intended to show our good morals to others. We might attempt this by buying a Prius (a low-mileage vehicle), recycling small bits of paper, or not eating the last nut ball cookie. And while the phrase “virtue signaling” often has a derogatory implication, others argue that it’s actually a good thing.

I don’t want to get lost in the goods with this idea of signaling, but mainly want to point out how common and even natural it is to prove our goodness to others–unless it is used to compensate for a sense of inadequacy. Which we’ll get to in a minute.

2. No Signaling

There are some acts which convey no signal at all. Have you ever done something admirable that you knew no-one else would ever get chance to admire? Maybe you knew it would make someone happy or you just felt like doing it. Maybe you’d buy that Prius even if other people thought it was a Dodge Ram.

I believe that much of the effort that goes into being good is organic, and is motivated by natural inclination.

3. Self Signaling

But sometimes those selfless acts are designed to signal to ourselves that we are good after all. You’ve always got you watching you, and that part of you simply wants to reassure yourself that you are a decent human being, by doing things that are morally good or high achieving.

But if there is also underlying insecurity, these tendencies get magnified to an unhealthy degree. And that’s when it backfires.

Under the surface of our efforts to be “good” we may feel a need to compensate and to prove that we’re not lazy, stupid, sloppy or selfish. We want to convince not only other people, but also ourselves, that we’re hard-working, smart, meticulous, caring, generous and respectable.

Even though the lengths we will go through to do this sometimes actually puts more distance between us and other people.

And this tendency to try to prove that we’re good or respectable also gets in the way of happiness, peace of mind and mental health.

Let’s look at some examples.

Batman’s Eternal Guilt Complex

Think about Batman, AKA Bruce Wayne.

One evening, when he’s eight years old, he asks his parents if they could go out to see a show.  They oblige, and on the way home a petty criminal, Joe Chill, tries to rob his parents and ends up killing them in the process. Bruce is beside himself with guilt and anger. He vows to get revenge on the killer.

That’s how Batman was born.

But even after Joe Chill is killed, he’s still not content, much less happy. Alone and constantly scowling, he hasn’t dealt will the real problem.

Yes, Batman does seek revenge, but he also seeks relief from his guilt for his parents’ death as well. He feels that they were murdered because of his “selfish” request to see a show that evening. He then spends a lifetime trying to prove to himself that he isn’t selfish. Yes, he genuinely wants to rid Gotham of evil,  but he also wants to rid himself of his own guilt as well, and to prove that he is a decent human being after all.

The closer to the unhealthy end of the compulsive spectrum someone is, the more likely it is that they feel the need to convince themselves, if not others, that they are honorable. This often leads them to overwork, overcontrol and over-signal in some way, even if it’s not obvious to them.

When your self-esteem is at stake, the consequences of not succeeding become so prominent that it leaves no room for other things in life, whether it’s because you’re too busy meticulously cleaning the kitchen, or trying to start the next Doctors Without Borders.

Let’s look at a more human example.

Ned Tries to Prove Himself By Being Outstandingly Good

Ned was not the coolest kid in his class, though he was the smartest. He didn’t experience outright bullying, but other kids did tease him about being a nerdy loser. And he was usually excluded from their socializing. The rejections continued until he reached college, when he finally found a few people that he was more in synch with.

But the scars from the earlier rejections remained, and Ned was determined to get respect. He vowed that he would prove himself to be a winner by succeeding. He eventually concluded, “I don’t care if they like me, I just don’t want anyone to think or say I’m a loser.”

This more obvious social issue of wanting to compensate for childhood exclusion and teasing sat on top of two other deeper, but less obvious, issues which also lead to a need to prove himself.

Overly-Supportive Parents

His parents were very supportive. Maybe too supportive. They believed Ned was destined to do great things.  They saw that he worked hard, was conscientious, and paid attention to detail. More, they saw him as talented. Surely all those things made him special and would land him in a good place.

But Ned wasn’t as convinced. He knew his shortcomings. And peer opinion meant more than parental opinion. Besides, he knew that any success he had had in middle and high school was won not by talent but by hard work. Only if he kept his nose posted painfully close to that grindstone would he achieve what they thought he should achieve. While he certainly wanted to prove to others that he had worth, he also had to prove to himself that he could live up to his parents’ expectations.

Original Sin

His Catholic upbringing added an additional layer of insecurity. The version of the teaching that he heard in the Church was “You’re guilty until you prove your innocence.” Even though he had quit going to church, he carried the message that he was not a good person and that life is just a test to see if you can prove that you are good after all.

He drove himself relentlessly, well into adulthood, trying to prove to himself, his parents, his peers and the universe that he was a good person and he deserved respect. This “I’ll Show You” mantra only slipped into consciousness occasionally. But it was always in the back of his mind, driving him to work harder and be better.

When people or things got in his way he became furious because they blocked him from his goal of proving himself. The anger fed on itself because then he needed to prove that he was right and someone else was wrong. Like an attorney, he kept looking for all the reasons he was right, ignoring any suggestions that he might need to look at himself or a situation differently.

Ned did have talents—his natural desire to solve problems, and his industriousness among them. These tendencies can be very satisfying. But, as happens to many people, when these talents are hijacked to prove goodness, success is no longer simply desired, but desperately needed. The need to prove drowns out cries from body and soul for a more balanced life: more pleasure, more peace, and more connection.

Natural and Unnatural Self-Improvement

This push to prove may also be fueled by the natural tendency to take on challenges and grow personally. It’s instinctual to want to evolve and fulfill our potential. But this energy can also be co-opted to prove that we’re respectable.

For instance, the energy that would naturally go into becoming a better teacher might be co-opted to prove that you are okay after all, despite what everyone said about you. This could bring anxiety to your teaching that could get in the way of both you and your students progressing.

Proving Yourself to Be Good Is Human…To a Point

Let’s not pathologize this need to prove ourselves. Proving that we’re reliable, trustworthy, strong or otherwise desirable was a part of our evolution. It was built into us as we evolved in tribes of 75 people. A good reputation was necessary if you were to stay in the tribe and not be thrown out on your own.

And the reality is that you are being judged. You do have to prove that you add value at your workplace. And yes, that handsome guy or cute girl is checking you out on the first date. But not about what you think.

Rarely do people expect perfection. In fact, what many compulsive perfectionists miss is that when they try to prove that they’re respectable they often end up proving that they’re just difficult to get along with.

It’s very human to want to be respected for who we are. But if we feel that we are morally deficient or otherwise inadequate, and we betray our true selves to get that respect, we will experience anxiety and depression.

A More Judicious Approach to Proving Yourself

To begin to work your way out of this trap, ask yourself the following questions. Take your time as the answers may not be obvious at first:

• How have you wanted other people to see you, and how have you wanted to see yourself?

• Is this to compensate for what you think is a shortcoming?

• Check to see if you feel extra pressure or urgency in your body to prove yourself.

• What is the story you’ve told yourself that has lead you to feel that you need to make others see you differently? Might that story be inaccurate?

• Have your natural tendencies for self-improvement been hijacked to prove that you’re respectable? Has that energy gone into appearances rather than growth?

• Do you sacrifice too much (e.g. relationships, health, pleasure) in trying to get others (or yourself) to see you in a particular way?

• Where does your reputation sit in your list of priorities? What goals might be more fulfilling to you than proving yourself?

 

It would be unrealistic to try not to care what the people around you think of you. But trying to convince everyone that you’re good—good in whatever way you think you need to be seen–may lead you to pursue projects and perfection that are actually self-destructive.

Strive for your ideals. But don’t let them get hijacked by your insecurity.

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  • Becky
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    November 6, 2021 at 10:16 PM

    So wonderful to have someone who understands OCPD like this author does. For being a fairly common PD, there is so little known and published about it. I often wonder if that’s because these folks are so high achieving and high functioning and it is the spouse and kids who see and carry a brunt of the pathology. At any rate, knowledge is power and I always look forward to what this author has to say.

    • Gary Trosclair
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      November 7, 2021 at 11:55 AM

      Thanks, Becky! Glad it’s helpful. Yes, while relatively common, this PD is unrecognized and under-researched. Hopefully this blog will help!

  • Jason Jones
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    December 13, 2021 at 11:10 AM

    I am 68 years old. I have been successful in my career but miserable in retirement. I was a psychiatric nurse practitioner and have an earned doctorate in counseling. I still am locked into having be better than the best to be normal. This was reinforced by my 22 year military career, being a college professor, and nurse practitioner. These are jobs and systems that focus on making everything right but always being second best. Professional nursing is a neurotic line of work.

    Recently I lost a friend due to my controlling behavior which really forced me to re-evaluate my behavior. I noticed re-occuring patterns of behavior that I thought I covered in my own past therapy but it appears I need more work. I ran across your blog and video which seems to describe my behavior. I like to focus on reframing the negative aspects of this disorder into positives.

    Somehow my wife has tolerated me for 48 years. I am glad she has done so. It’s been hard on her. First, I am mean to myself from obsessive behavior then get stubborn and unreasonable. Fortunately, I actually want to change this pattern. Living with myself has become intolerable, so I recognize the unhappiness that I cause her. Does this recognition my improve my chances of change?

    • Gary Trosclair
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      December 13, 2021 at 3:43 PM

      Yes, I believe that your recognition will help you to change. I believe that the energy, determination–even stubbornness–that are characteristic of OCPD can be enlisted in the service of taking the Disorder out of OCPD. If you haven’t seen it, you might find this post about whether people with OCPD can change interesting. https://thehealthycompulsive.com/can-people-with-ocpd-change/ Good luck in your journey!

  • jnmegan
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    March 3, 2023 at 12:55 PM

    I purchased your book, recommended it to others and look forward to your blog posts. I have been “diagnosed” as OCPD manifesting in Anorexia Nervosa (I am a 52y/o female). a= described above, the eating disorder started out as a personal improvement project with diet and exercise that devolved quickly into unhealthy obessions and compulsions. I wonder how often you come across this comorbidity in your research. Having been through many unsuccessful treatments from inpatient to outpatient CBT/DBT, I have encountered many women like myself who were high-functioning for most of their lives until they devoted themselves to achieving physical perfection. It is difficult to explain to others the correlation of ED and OCPD and how typical approaches (for young women with dysmorphia) don’t address the underlying cause of cyclical relapse. Thanks for all your work in helping to redefine OCPD as something that can be leveraged instead of seen as a character “life-sentence.”

    • Gary Trosclair
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      March 4, 2023 at 5:30 AM

      Hi jnmegan. Thanks for your comment, and I’m glad the book and blog have been helpful. I myself have not worked with many women who have been caught in the situation you have been with anorexia, but I know that it happens. There does seem to be a link between the OCPD and anorexia in many cases. And I suspect that there is some sort of OCD chemical “brain lock” that also occurs, just in case things weren’t hard enough. I have no expertise in treating anorexia, but for me it would stand to reason that we would need cognitive-behavioral tools to deal with the immediate dangers, along with a deeper approach that deals with the underlying cause(s). With such suffering we cannot afford to be partisan. Would that make sense to you?

      • jnmegan
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        March 4, 2023 at 9:23 AM

        Thanks for your reply. I completely agree with you, and I am not surprised that you haven’t worked with OCPD/ED individuals, since experienced and informed practitioners are rare (perhaps they are a mythical construct?). The trademark OCPD resistance to change combined with a tendency to rationalize behavior renders existing ED treatment models ineffective. Restructuring neuronal pathways requires patience and is a slow process that unfortunately does not progress fast enough to save those in acute physical jeopardy. The programs that exist are exorbitantly expensive and insurance companies rarely recognize the overlapping diagnosis as a distinct subcategory of ED. As you know “personality disorders” are dismissed as intractable conditions that need to resort to harm mitigation rather than actual treatment. I have witnessed many cases where coverage is refused or discontinued abruptly as soon as medical stabilization is reached. I think that research of the possible OCPD/AN connection is woefully lacking, and prevents innovative, targeted approaches from being developed.

        • Gary Trosclair
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          March 4, 2023 at 1:13 PM

          Very well said. Thanks.

    • Libby
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      March 5, 2024 at 4:14 PM

      Hi there,
      I was reading over this post and intrigued to come across your comment. I also have a primary challenge/diagnosis of OCPD, which manifested first as anorexia for me around 15+ years ago. I have been recovered from AN for well over a decade, and just recently learned about OCPD and how THAT was and continues to be my main struggle all along. The anorexia/exercise addiction was more a manifestation of that, as mentioned. This blog and Gary’s book have been immensely helpful to me and have added further layers to my healing. If you ever want to connect, I’d be happy to talk some time. I also am a private practice dietitian who takes an emotionally and psychologically attuned approach to working with clients with anorexia. I agree – research and work in this area with this specific angle is certainly lacking!

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